“Oh No! It’s that Word–Trinity!”

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Today there is a growing movement within our church. It is serious, as it relates to the identity of God, specifically the Godhead. As we have often mentioned, we are active in His vineyard, watching and listening to what the workers amongst us are doing and saying. The idea of the “Trinity” is being discussed on a large-scale and we thought it important to discuss this relevant and important issue.

Wikipedia gives us a good look at the historical understanding of the Trinity–

TRINITY–

The Christian doctrine of the Trinity (Latin: Trinitas, lit. ‘triad’, from trinus, “threefold”)[2] holds that God is three consubstantial persons[3] or hypostases[4]—the Father, the Son (JesusChrist), and the Holy Spirit—as “one God in three Divine Persons”. The three persons are distinct, yet are one “substance, essence or nature” (homoousios).[5] In this context, a “nature” is what one is, whereas a “person” is who one is.[6][7][8]

According to this central mystery of most Christian faiths, there is only one God in three persons: while distinct from one another in their relations of origin (as the Fourth Lateran Council declared, “it is the Father who generates, the Son who is begotten, and the Holy Spirit who proceeds”);[9] and in their relations with one another, they are stated to be one in all else, co-equal, co-eternal and consubstantial, and each is God, whole and entire”.[10] Accordingly, the whole work of creation and grace is seen as a single operation common to all three divine persons, in which each shows forth what is proper to him in the Trinity, so that all things are “from the Father”, “through the Son” and “in the Holy Spirit”.[11] 

While the Fathers of the Church saw even Old Testament elements such as the appearance of three men to Abraham in Book of Genesis, chapter 18, as foreshadowings of the Trinity, it was the New Testament that they saw as a basis for developing the concept of the Trinity. One of the most influential of the New Testament texts seen as implying the teaching of the Trinity was Matthew 28:19, which mandated baptizing “in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit”.

Another New Testament text pointing to the Trinity was John 1:1-14, in which the inter-relationships of the Triune God are reflected in the gospel author’s description of “the Word”, again showing the elements of the Triune God and their eternal (always was, always is, and always shall be) existence. Reflection, proclamation, and dialogue led to the formulation of the doctrine that was felt to correspond to the data in the Bible. The simplest outline of the doctrine was formulated in the 4th century, largely in terms of rejection of what was considered not to be consonant with general Christian belief. Further elaboration continued in the succeeding centuries.[12]

Scripture contains neither the word Trinity,[13] nor an expressly formulated doctrine of the Trinity. Rather, according to Christian theology, it “bears witness to” the activity of a God who can only be understood in Trinitarian terms.[14] The doctrine did not take its definitive shape until late in the fourth century.[15] During the intervening period, various tentative solutions, some more and some less satisfactory, were proposed.[16]

Trinitarianism contrasts with nontrinitarian positions which include Binitarianism (one deity in two persons, or two deities), Unitarianism (one deity in one person, analogous to Jewish interpretation of the Shema and Muslim belief in Tawhid), Oneness Pentecostalism or Modalism (one deity manifested in three separate aspects). Additionally, the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints believes the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost are three separate deities, two of which possess separate bodies of flesh and bones, while the Holy Ghost has only a body of spirit; and that their unity is not physical, but in purpose.[17]

The above give us a good basic understanding of the concept of the Trinity. But as God’s remnant church, and specifically –present truth believers , we need to know what is happening amongst us concerning this issue.

There appears two camps today amongst us. One, the camp that stands squarely with our standard SDA doctrinal belief number two , let us read it–

The Trinity , No. 2
There is one God: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, a unity of three coeternal Persons. God is immortal, all-powerful, all-knowing, above all, and ever present. He is infinite and beyond human comprehension, yet known through His self-revelation. God, who is love, is forever worthy of worship, adoration, and service by the whole creation. (Gen. 1:26; Deut. 6:4; Isa. 6:8; Matt. 28:19; John 3:16 2 Cor. 1:21, 22; 13:14; Eph. 4:4-6; 1 Peter 1:2.)

They believe as shown that there are THREE coeternal “Persons.”

Then there is the other camp, which is unfortunately growing, that believe that there are only TWO coeternal Persons, the Father and the Son. The “Holy Spirit” is a type of force or cosmic energy and is at the beck and call of the Father and Son.

Before we go further there is a very important SOP quote that we all, both camps, must remember in any discussion about the Holy Spirit–

“The nature of the Holy Spirit is a mystery. Men cannot explain it, because the Lord has not revealed it to them. Men having fanciful views may bring together passages of Scripture and put a human construction on them, but the acceptance of these views will not strengthen the church. Regarding such mysteries, which are too deep for human understanding, silence is golden.” {AA 52.1}

Ah, the Lord’s Spirit of Prophecy says we “cannot explain it.” This makes perfect sense as once someone decides to do a study upon this great “mysterious” and confounding subject they come into all kinds of “what ifs” and “how comes”.

But this Inspired counsel is today thrown to the wind and many are taking upon themselves the mount of Korah, and declaring that they are inspired just as God’s prophets are and can explain who, what and where the Holy Spirit is! And they have declared that not only is there no Holy Spirit Being as God, but that the very word–Trinity– is blasphemous!

For a good example of one of the anti-Trinity proponents in our SDA church and who has the site called “The Third Angel’s Message.com”, and what they teach, let us read–

1 Corinthians 8:6  But to us there is but one God, the Father

“This is who he is, the father and God of Jesus Christ our Lord who is the son of the father.  A false doctrine has gained it’s way into our church today.  A doctrine “denying the only Lord God and our Lord Jesus Christ”[Jude 4].

The Scriptures clearly indicate the relation between God and Christ, and they bring to view as clearly the personality and individuality of each. [Hebrews 1:1-5 quoted.] God is the Father of Christ; Christ is the Son of God. To Christ has been given an exalted position. He has been made equal with the Father. All the counsels of God are opened to His Son. (Ellen White, Testimonies for the Church, vol. 8, page 268)

1 Corinthians 1:3  Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ.

Almost every book in the New Testament begins with a similar greeting.  The title, God, is always used in reference to the father, and there is no reference to a third being. Nowhere in the scriptures is the title, “God,” used in reference to the father, son, and holy spirit,  at the same time.

A doctrine called the trinity has denied this.  This doctrine denies who God is and who his son is.  This doctrine does not “manifest the love of God toward us”[1 John 4:9].   It denies Christ is the son of God, and makes God out to be an office of three beings, an impersonal God pervading all nature.  Co-eternal, co-equal friends is what it says when you analyze it rather than a “father and son”.

What we see here is this man’s explanation of the Godhead, specifically that there are TWO Persons, not three. Yet as we showed our important doctrinal SDA belief says we believe in THREE Persons in the God head. This man and those like him  today want to re-write or deny our doctrinal beliefs!

But  let us remember that the Omniscient God knew very well that this Trinity issue would be a concern in our last days, did He not? And Did He not decide to write a promise in His Holy Word saying that a “restorer” , the last prophet to our church, the Elijah would come and therefore explain these things?

Ok, if we believe that, then we must search what the final restoring message says in order to know the Truth of this matter. Otherwise we are like Korah, uninspired and stepping up to the Lord’s platform to tell Him and us what is Truth and that “we” know it instead of His inspired Prophets. Oh my my!

Today there are many teachers of this new doctrine, claiming that it is really a old doctrine founded with the pioneers of the SDA church. For example a website call Revelation1412.org– Nader Mansour, and the above mentioned site by David Barron. Both of these are active promoters of this doctrine.

There are two specific areas where the Elijah message confirms the belief in the Triune God, the Trinity.

In 1947 in the publication called the “Timely Greetings”, the message said the following–

“FUNDAMENTAL BELIEFS OF DAVIDIAN SEVENTH-DAY ADVENTISTS

Emerging in 1930 from within the Seventh-day Adventist denomination (“the church of the Laodiceans”), the Davidian Seventh-day Adventist Association has ever been committed to the prophetic work (predicted in Isaiah 52:1) of preparing the Laodicean church, the last with the “tares among the wheat,” for the final proclamation of the gospel “in all the world.” Matt. 14:14.

This Association, in common with the Seventh-day Adventist denomination, holds “certain fundamental beliefs, the principal features of which, together with a portion of the Scriptural references upon which they are based,” are originally summarized as follows:

“1. That the Holy Scriptures of the Old and New Testaments were given by inspiration of God, contain an all-sufficient revelation of His will to men, and are the only unerring rule of faith and practice. 2 Tim. 3:15-17.

“2. That the Godhead, or Trinity, consists of the Eternal Father, a personal, spiritual Being, omnipotent, omnipresent, omniscient,

Timely Greetings, Vol. 2, No. 10, page 21

infinite in wisdom and love; the Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of the Eternal Father, through whom all things were created and through whom the salvation of the redeemed hosts will be accomplished; the Holy Spirit, the third person of the Godhead, the great regenerating power in the work of redemption. Matt. 28:19.”

For a complete report on the fundamental beliefs on the SDA and DSDA, as one organization,  read this link-

http://www.shepherds-rod-message.org/tracts/2tg10.html

As a side note, if you read this link, keep it in your memory bank as many of Satan’s workers, those SDA leaders and scoffers of the Lord’s Rod (Micah 6:9),  will tell you that Davidian Seventh-day Adventists don’t believe in  the same fundamental beliefs as the SDA, which this exposes as a lie. Instead they should be worried about the real usurpers as shown above, those promoting the denial of the Trinity!

An additional  reaffirmation —

Question 214:

Why are not the given names of the Trinity used in baptizing?

Answer:

As the Scriptures give several names for the Father and for the Son (and none for the Holy Ghost), and as we are not told which of these to use in baptizing, we must, therefore, take Him at His word and baptize in just the way He commands: “in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost.”  Matt. 28:19.  Moreover the names given in the Scriptures are not absolute names, but rather titles–equivalent to the names Father, Son, and Holy Ghost.

Still further, even if the absolute names of the Trinity were known, their use would lead to irreverent address.  For example, suppose the Father’s name is George; the Son’s, Thomas; and the Holy Ghost’s, William.  Could any God-fearing human being even dare think of its being reverent to say, I now baptize you in the name of George, Thomas, and William!  Let us therefore comply with the Lord’s command: “Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of be Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost.”  Matt. 28:19. (For further light on this subject, study our Tract No. 11.) (Vol. 7   Symbolic Code   Nos. 1-6. page 13.)

So we are clear, the Lord’s restoring message of Elijah CONFIRMS that there is such a term as “Trinity” and it describes THREE co-eternal Beings. This is solid my brethren and we can “take it to the bank”.

So what do we have here my beloved? We have an end time deception! A side tracking issue that diverts our minds from one of our core fundamental beliefs as Seventh-day Adventists. This is for the purpose of trying to establish a form of self-righteousness, a holier than thou belief because they know who God is more than the prophets!

“The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons.” (1 Tim.4:1)

But the anti-Trinitarians have many tricks up their sleeves such as the following James White quote–

“Here we might mention the Trinity, which does away the personality of God, and of his Son Jesus Christ, and of sprinkling or pouring instead of being “buried with Christ in baptism,” “planted in the likeness of his death:” but we pass from these fables to notice one that is held sacred by nearly all professed Christians, both Catholic and Protestant. It is, the change of the Sabbath of the fourth commandment…” {James White, Dec 11 1855, Review and Herald, Vol. 7, no. 11, P 85 Par 16}

But what they forget is that he was not inspired prophet of God. It was only when he co-wrote the booklet  “A Word to the Little Flock” that the prophetess approved, collaborated  and authorized it, thus endorsing it with her part of that booklet. Yes, he was the husband of Ellen White, our prophetess, but that did not keep him from declaring uninspired statements or beliefs. All we have to do is see what the INSPIRED prophetess, his wife said years AFTER such words.

“We need to realize that the Holy Spirit, who is as much a person as God is a person, is walking through these grounds. — Manuscript 66, 1899. (From a talk to the students at the Avondale School.) {Ev 616.5} The Holy Spirit is a person, for He beareth witness with our spirits that we are the children of God. When this witness is borne, it carries with it its own evidence. At such times we believe and are sure that we are the children of God. .. . . {Ev 616.6} 

The Holy Spirit has a personality, else He could not bear witness to our spirits and with our spirits that we are the children of God. He must also be a divine person, else He could not search out the secrets which lie hidden in the mind of God. “For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.”–Manuscript 20, 1906. {Ev 617.1}

“Sin could be resisted and overcome only through the mighty agency of the Third Person of the Godhead, who would come with no modified energy, but in the fullness of divine power. It is the Spirit that makes effectual what has been wrought out by the world’s Redeemer. It is by the Spirit that the heart is made pure. Through the Spirit the believer becomes a partaker of the divine nature.” (Desire of Ages, p.671)

In closing, let us not fall for one of Satan’s many snags today. If we believe in our Lord, the Word, we will know the Truth. It is only when we desire to follow man instead of His inspired prophets, that we may fall. There is a concept known as the Trinity, and it is from God.

“Be alert and of sober mind. Your enemy the devil prowls around like a roaring lion looking for someone to devour.” (1 Peter 5:8)

“Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.”(Matt. 28:19-20)

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10 Responses to ““Oh No! It’s that Word–Trinity!””

  1. Dave Says:

    I do not know why you would not list the Mustard Seed Advent in your article, after all it is an advancement in understanding, the trinity is milk doctrine, as there are actually four beings, God the Father, Christ the eternal Son, Jesus the begotten Son… Born 2000 years ago and the Holy Spirit the fourth individual. That is truth my friend.

  2. godsloveandlaw Says:

    Hello Dave,
    Thanks for your comment. The reason we don’t advocate the Mustard Seed Advent is that the Lord’s final prophet, Victor Houteff, the promised “Elijah” to come of Mal. 4:5, did not advocate it nor speak much about it. Therefore, if we try and add things like this where do we stop? The Lord’s final “restoring” message is all we need to guide us to the Truth for our time. The great and dreadful day of the Lord is about to take place and just as promised by the Lord He gave us His message through His prophet–praise Him!

  3. Dave Says:

    Look VTH is dead, he never restored anything, he did not pass judgment as he passed into the grave when he died. VTH’s words are not enough to give life without death as John 8:51 promises. These are facts!

    Now let’s move on and prove a large fact from the bible… “And the Lord said, Who then is that faithful and wise steward, whom his lord shall make ruler over his household, to give them their portion of meat in due season? Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing. Of a truth I say unto you, that he will make him ruler over all that he hath.” Luke 12:42-44

    Someone is to be alive and teaching and distributing strong meat when his Lord cometh, of a truth the Lord will make him ruler over all that he hath. Sounds like this man will rule the planet as was Adams duty before the fall of man.

  4. Dave Says:

    Can you answer the question asked by the Lord above, in Luke 12?

  5. godsloveandlaw Says:

    I’m afraid we will go round and round like before Dave. For your beliefs and mine do not come together. As you cannot accept the teachings of the last prophet, I am powerless to do more.

    Zech. 4, the golden bowl prophecy was interpreted by the Elijah and is a powerful study on how we are to stay within Inspiration, getting our golden oil (Truth) from the bowl (Inspired publications of the Word) and bringing it (through the seven tubes-the ministry) down to the church (candlesticks). The two pipes are the end time prophets (two last SDA prophets) who draw the oil out of the two trees (the old and new Testament) and deposit it into the bowl for dissemination to the church.This is the God inspired method where Truth is obtained and authorized from Him.

    You are, unbeknownst to yourself, attempting to insert your own pipe into the bowl and dispense your own oil, thus attempting to bypass the Lord’s prophetic method. The Lord is not the author of confusion and has revealed through His prophet “how” this Truth dispensary works.

    The prophet, for your information has a Tract written about this subject, even briefly dealing with the mustard seed. Here are the links-

    http://www.shepherds-rod-message.org/tracts/tract_6.html
    http://shepherds-rod.org/TGvol2/2tg45.htm

  6. Dave Says:

    ELIJAH EXPLAINS JUDGMENT: “…Elijah comes just before that day begins…he is to unroll the scroll (the Bible), to explain what the day of the Lord is like, what the Lord will do then, and how we may survive His judgments.”
—VTH, GCS, p. 19: 1, 2 (parenthesis added)

    THOSE WHO EMBRACE ELIJAH’S MESSAGE CANNOT DIE: “Moreover, as the SRod is the Elijah message (T.M. 475), it is impossible for anyone who accepts it and lives it to die, for the type demands translation. Thus it is that Elijah stands as a type of the 144,000. (D.A. 421)”
    —Vol. 1 Symbolic Code No. 9 pg.9

    Is it possible you are missing something? I mean how is it that VTH’s message alone is going to carry you into the kingdom of the living saints when it failed to save VTH? Honestly answer the question.

    MUSTARD SEED/KINGDOM COMPRISED OF LIVING ONLY AT FIRST: “The work of gathering set forth in these scriptures, shows that before the resurrection of the righteous (1 Thess. 4: 16) and before the pre-millennial destruction of the nations, the Lord is to make up His kingdom at first of the living saints only, as seen from the prophecy of Daniel 2: the ‘stone’ being ‘cut out’ of the mountain (Dan. 2: 45), and being symbolical of the kingdom of Christ in its beginning (Dan.2: 44), then the mountain from which it is cut out, must necessarily represent the church from which the first fruits of the kingdom, the 144,000, are gathered. And as the stone grows and becomes ‘a great mountain’ (Dan. 2: 35) after it is ‘cut out,’ it obviously at first represents the kingdom in its infancy — the ‘first fruits’ only. The fact, also, that the stone grows and fills ‘the whole earth,’ is another evidence in the proof that after this long-looked-for kingdom is “set up,” a great multitude is to join it. Were this not so, then the stone could not become ‘a great mountain.’ Its being, furthermore, at first but a very small part of the mountain, shows that the kingdom has a very small beginning, just as the Lord says: ‘The kingdom of heaven is like to a grain of mustard seed,…which indeed is the least of all seeds: but when it is grown, it is the greatest among herbs.’ —Matt. 13: 31, 32”
    —VTH, Tr 9, p. 40, 41

    Even above in the Rod it says the kingdom is to be first made up of living saints only. VTH is not the last prophet as you say, it is impossible and goes against the Rod’s own statements. How is VTH going to teach us how to pass the Lords judgements? I mean lets be real on this… Ok?

  7. godsloveandlaw Says:

    My friend, you remind me of the Pharisees who came to Jesus demanding He give account for this and that. There ARE answers to every single point you raise. Yet, why waste your time and mine? Do you not think that the Rod has dealt with these doubts and many more already?

    Yes indeed and you can go to our other site at the following link to see how we addressed these doubts that you haven’t even thought of. We dealt with the master anti Rod spokesman –Ismael Rodriguez. He is a professor in doubts on the Rod compared to you.

    So we don’t want to reinvent the wheel so go on the site and explore with your heart’s desire. In the meantime, you are typical of the anti-Rod professors, you ignore all the powerful prophetic revelations such as Zech. 4 for your doubts. Know this–one day you and I will stand before the Lord, and that time is almost at hand.

    https://hearyetherod.wordpress.com/2017/02/26/into-the-vipers-den-part-1-of-5/

  8. Dave Says:

    The Word of the Lord Unto Zerubbabel
– Read An Excerpt!
    * Is Christ David?
    * Ye Shall Move Mountains
    * Reply to Faithless Fear Mongers
    * The Parting of the Ways
    * Today’s Church Leadership
    * The Golden Bowl
    * Is the Bowl Full of Oil?
    * Davidia and Her Sins
    * Remove the Stumbling Blocks

    http://www.mustardseedadvent.com/excerpts/excerptwordoflord.pdf

  9. Dave Says:

    By the way what is your formula to survive His judgments and claim the promise of John 8:51? After all the promise is life without seeing or tasting death.

    I notice you never answer these or any of the above hard questions, but you do claim to have answers. Do you claim to know how to gain life without death, something VTH could not do?

  10. godsloveandlaw Says:

    For those watching Dave’s comments and questions, we shall address one of his questions and that is all. As mentioned we cannot waste our time with non-believers who are adamant. As our example, Jesus never sat down with the Pharisees to discuss the Truth did He?

    “And the Lord said, Who then is that faithful and wise steward, whom his lord shall make ruler over his household, to give them their portion of meat in due season? Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing. Of a truth I say unto you, that he will make him ruler over all that he hath.” Luke 12:42-44

    “Someone is to be alive and teaching and distributing strong meat when his Lord cometh, of a truth the Lord will make him ruler over all that he hath. Sounds like this man will rule the planet as was Adams duty before the fall of man.” –Dave

    This is typical of those who do not read in CONTEXT what the Lord’s Word says.

    For context, let us start with Luke 12:34 —

    “For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also. Be dressed ready for service and keep your lamps burning, 36 like servants waiting for their master to return from a wedding banquet, so that when he comes and knocks they can immediately open the door for him.

    37 It will be good for those servants whose master finds them watching when he comes. Truly I tell you, he will dress himself to serve, will have them recline at the table and will come and wait on them. 38 It will be good for those servants whose master finds them ready, even if he comes in the middle of the night or toward daybreak.

    39 But understand this: If the owner of the house had known at what hour the thief was coming, he would not have let his house be broken into. 40 You also must be ready, because the Son of Man will come at an hour when you do not expect him.”

    41 Peter asked, “Lord, are you telling this parable to us, or to everyone?”

    What we see is that the Lord is talking about “those servants” who are faithful and watching. Then Peter wants to know more about these words of the Lord.

    Then Dave’s reference , verses 42-44 are referred to. But let us notice that Christ is explaining His prior words because of Peter’s request and He says–

    “Who THEN is that faithful and wise steward whom his master will make ruler over his household….(verse 42)”

    So contrary to Dave’s ideas, Christ is not going from talking of “those servants” to now talking about one particular servant. He is showing one of the “those servants”who are to be a “ruler over his household”. In other words verses 42-44 explain more of the prior verses and does not change into a new description of a single future ruler as Dave misconstrues. Dave does this interpretation because he is following a “prophet”, a man known as Derek West, who will someday rule and who is alive today and thus it lends support for his ideas.

    The following is supplementing words of our Lord found in Revelation, that also describe that there are to be many kings and priests ruling upon the earth. Of course under one shepherd as Ezekiel 34 explains.

    “And they sang a new song, saying:

    “You are worthy to take the scroll
    and to open its seals,
    because you were slain,
    and with your blood you purchased for God
    persons from every tribe and language and people and nation.

    You have made us kings and priests to serve our God,
    and we will reign on the earth.” (Rev. 5:9-10)

    The last verse 10, is speaking of the 144,000 per SRod tract vol.1, p.29

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